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2011-11-17 at 03:30AM UTC #3923
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QuickMythril

please i would like to keep an informative thread based on facts so people can find out what’s up. the people in the comments section are suggesting that we will need new firmware and hitachis are going to be pushed back to the end of the line again before 2.0 is released for them. however, if this is just a change to the dae.bin, then all we should need is for someone to dump their nand, get the new dae.bin and use that with xbc and rip the ap2.5 sectors for all the games. now would be a nice time to have abgx360 updated so we could patch our xgd3 games. if anyone knows of a way to tell if you have the new dae.bin or not, please let us know. i have people asking me if they stay offline, can they still play xgd3/ap2.5 games, but no one seemsw to know exactly when this “silent update” occurred. someone said they update the beta kernel to BK:2.0.1888.0, but if i’m not mistaken that is what it has always said. anyone who stays offline want to check their BK and see if it’s the same as people who have been online?

2011-11-17 at 03:35AM UTC #3924
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phrizz

I never sign on to Live, so my console is offline.

Dash 13604
Lt+ 1.91 – Hitachi
XGD3 originals work fine, obviously can’t try backups
BK: 2.0.1888.0

so it’s the same as an offline console m8, hope that info helps. I gotta goto bed, 5am arrives very quickly, will check back in sometime tomorrow and see what people are saying.

2011-11-17 at 03:39AM UTC #3925
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skybird

“BK” is the backup kernel. The 360 keeps a backup of the very first dashboard that the console shipped with (2.0.1888.0) so every single person will have that number displayed and it’s irrelevant to these issues.

2011-11-17 at 03:40AM UTC #3926
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QuickMythril

ok i thought as much… someone was claiming they changed the “beta kernel” but that sounded wrong to me. so i take it the only way to know if you’ve been updated is to dump your nand and compare your dae.bin to the last version..?

2011-11-17 at 03:49AM UTC #3928
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skybird

I would say that that makes sense, yep. I think the dae.bin file has been updated either via a title update for a game, or just silently in the background over Xbox Live. It was speculated that MS could do this when AP2.5 first appeared and it looks like that’s exactly what they’ve done. I can’t say for sure, but the “disc unsupported” errors and failed AP2.5 challenges that people are getting are a sign that it’s almost certainly that.

2011-11-17 at 04:05AM UTC #3929
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wadey1457

modern warfare 3 ask me for an update on tue.could have been in that

2011-11-17 at 06:02AM UTC #3935
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QuickMythril

nothing to do with a system or title update… in case anyone didn’t see the big post on the front page. everyone has a different dae.bin, so you’d need to be able to dump your own nand. but since they can change the dae.bin at any time, who knows how long your discs will be good for. i guess if you stay offline you would be good, and just have to redump your dae.bin anytime you go online to see if it has changed. but without a new abgx360 we still can’t patch in new ap2.5 ss, so you’d have to rerip the whole game. if you have an original to rip, then why not play the original. very smart, now all those people claiming “backups” are going to be put to the test…

2011-11-17 at 06:30AM UTC #3936
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QuickMythril

i went back to the ap2.5 faq for a better understanding and i found this: (someone asked me the other day why we don’t burn all the responses onto the disc.)

Why don’t we extract _every_ AP25 response from the original disc then patch our games with this data so that our backups will never need to be re-burned?
Not feasible. Responses can only be retrieved for known challenges (in dae.bin). Microsoft could change the challenges at any time (new dae.bin) at which point we can capture the new response data. The total number of possible challenges is very large as each challenge includes two disc locations and there is a lot of suitable locations on a disc.

and since…

Why do I need the AP25 replay data at all? Don’t I already have a full disc backup?
While you may have every readable sector duplicated on a backup, you can’t replicate the physical structure of the disc. It is not possible for consumer DVD writers to make an exact copy of a retail disc. Your copy is has different data location characteristics that AP25 is checking for.

we come back to the solution someone suggested months ago and that would be pressed silvers…

2011-11-17 at 07:03AM UTC #3937
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stalker

Well my backup of mw3 doesn’t boot at all I get a dirty disc error but I do think that maybe a patch for the lt+2.0 will be needed.But we do need the new abgx now.

2011-11-17 at 10:41AM UTC #3942
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Mclane

I hate to say it but with every person who knew about AP2.5 data who then kept on going on to Live really deserve the hassle. We knew that the way to cripple games in XGD3 format was to update the table ergo (I love that word) M$ were always going to attack the copies by updating that table, they knew people expected it in the updates so did the one thing that was more logical, update silently.

Can’t say I blame them, it is indeed the way to cause more issues with those playing copies.

I like quicksmythrill idea of the extra of all the challenges edited as a patch but at the mo it still means a reburn as unless you are glitched the challenge is made to the disc in the drive.

So unless you have a death wish then stay off line or play the original game online until there’s a fix if ever, and DON’T hassle C4eva, if not for his and the teams hard word you would not be playing ‘backups’ till this day!

M$ may be the biggest provider of shite bloated bug ridden software that people pay to have the luck of beta testing their expensive crap but when it comes to protecting their market they spend a lot of money especially on the 360, remember, they are not stupid.

EDIT: Should have said play the real game online and remember that the update will still happen so ALL the games in it will be altered so you best have the original for all the games you play online and off.

IE DON’T GO ONLINE WITH HACKED FIRMWARE UNTIL YOU HEAR OTHER WISE.

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