which hitachi 78/79 don't do AP2.5 checks

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2011-12-08 at 10:58PM UTC #4874
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phrizz

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Good god, this is unbelievable. These idiots apparently really do think that 3.0 is about to release any second because “itz pazt Dec 6! durharr!”

Ucla:
Completely agree, it sure didn’t take long for the mass of hypocrites to turn into the same people they flamed for two months. I almost wish the FW would release any day now for the simple fact that the people who actually use the site and the forums here can have it back. At this point I’m tired of trying to accommodate everyone and be nice about shit when it’s so painfully obvious that a huge majority of users here aren’t old enough to vote or smoke cigarettes in the US. They’re at the age of “Im so badass cuz I got momz lappy and I cuss @ newbz on the net”

voc1967:
Yeah, what Quick said. Telling us “my 79 still works” is essentially useless when the thread title is WHICH 78′s and 79′s don’t perform AP25 checks. There are four versions of each drive, we want to know what versions, not what ROM number. (ie. I have a 79FL with DVD key @ 4b00 – where 4b00 is the version we’re interested in, it is the specific firmware that gets flashed to my drive)

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2011-12-09 at 12:02AM UTC #4875
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phrizz

Well, I’m ripping my Assassins Creed Brotherhood right now with latest XBC but WITHOUT using the 13599 DAE.bin file for AP25. I will run it through abgx (after DISABLING any ISO writes so the AP25 doesn’t get patched) to completely verify the rip either has an outdated AP25 sector or none at all. At about 20% ripping right now, will try (key word: try) and post again after I have a verified BAD rip burnt and ready to test on my 79FL 4b00 drive.

2011-12-09 at 12:02AM UTC #4876
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QuickMythril

phrizz, i admire your dedication. i’ve been having the same problems with this site, as i’m sure everyone is. i try to tell myself that it can’t be from people looking for 3.0, but it probably is. the funny thing is, it’s not even uploaded here usually, until a regular user like us links to it. if people -really- wanted to get the firmware as soon as possible, they’d check the topic in #c4e or #fw on efnet (that’s irc for people who don’t know). of course now people are going to start asking for it in the channel, which really pisses off the people there.

anyway, i’m pretty much just posting for conversation. i’m sure you won’t mind having something to read other than “why won’t my hitachi drive work with truncated discs” for the hundredth time. i’ve started the habit of copying my post to the clipboard before i press post in case the page times out and i lose all that i’ve written.

i guess i’ll get back on topic. so far we have people just in this thread with 79 4d20, 4b00, and 4e10 claiming no ap2.5. i really thought it would just be maybe 1 of the 4, but it doesn’t seem like it. i asked in #c4e if anyone on the firmware team was aware of the fact that many people are reporting this and i only got a response from another “regular” user that they’d heard of that, but only from people who changed their osig. the way people are explaining here i doubt that is the case for any of them. i also sent a message to c4eva directly, but who knows if he will ever see or address it.

my theory on this keeps changing. i feel like we may never get a definitive answer, since there is no way to be sure people actually are checking their original unmodified firmware dumps (which some people might not even have.) my guess is c4e decided also there was no way to be sure and so he just accounted for ap2.5 to be checked by all 78/79 drives. better safe than sorry. similar to flashing to stock for updates (which i know many people don’t do), this thread has given some people interesting new info, and hopefully saved some discs from going into the trash. even if this is unacknowledged or unsupported by “the team”. well i am going to go hang out in irc for a bit, hopefully i don’t upset too many people with my “hard-to-answer questions” and “answers-to-questions that they don’t like to give officially”.

later people.

2011-12-09 at 12:58AM UTC #4877
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phrizz

Quick:
Hahah, coincidentally I do the same thing prior to posting now, especially if it’s a lengthy post. Copy that bitch before you get thrown to the error page and can’t recover it. Funny that you mentioned it, just thought I’d reiterate that suggestion for anyone else having problems posting and getting sick of re-typing your post over and over =)

I actually do have my original drive dump from when I first flashed Lt+ 1.1 seemingly ages ago, which is how I first determined that my drive key was at 4b00. I know I haven’t done anything to the OSIG, not even sure why you would or what it would do so my drive should be completely virgin (for lack of a better word) in those regards – it’s just flashed with 2.0 and no other changes. So my test should hopefully be pretty revealing as far as the AP25 goes, at least for other 79 / 4b00 owners anyway. As I mentioned, I’m doing an XGD2 game with AP25 (AC:B) so I can verify the security sector is indeed outdated or vacant with abgx rather than an XGD3 that I can’t really verify since there’s no abgx for XGD3 yet. I just gotta remember to disable writes so I don’t accidentally patch it by mistake =P

In regards to XBC, I’ve noticed that when I try to rip games at the default read speed of 12x for my VAD6038, I get a bunch of Block error recoveries, and eventually XBC reduces read speed to 5x. When I manually set to 5x and re-rip, I get a perfect backup with zero errors in XBC. I wonder if the laser in my drive isn’t too great or something, not sure what else could be the problem. I cleaned the laser when I first got it like a month or so ago, but that would only remove any debris or fingerprints/smudges.

lol, your last couple of lines were definitely entertaining. I know the feeling – I gave up on IRC a long time ago, they’re more strict in #c4e and #fw than some of the 360 modding forums I frequent. It seems any question is a stupid question to them, but they’ll answer the “how is Lt ## coming along?” questions with “good, not long now!” yet they’ll look down their nose at you when posed with a legitimate question.

Gotta love this place! ;)

2011-12-09 at 01:04AM UTC #4878
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phrizz

Just verified my AC:B rip in abgx and confirmed there is absolutely no AP25 replay sector within the ISO.

“Checking AP25 replay sector
AP25 replay sector is blank!”

Should I leave it completely blank to test? Or should I use the DAE.bin? The first time I ripped this game, I used the DAE.bin, ran it through abgx and it still updated and patched the outdated data so it’s a bit confusing as to the real purpose of the 13599 DAE unless it was designed more specifically for XGD3 titles rather than D2′s. Any thoughts?

2011-12-09 at 01:35AM UTC #4879
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QuickMythril

phrizz, i would leave it blank. fable 3 and black ops originally had no ap2.5 challenges active and would have had blank ap sectors as well. no one in irc can give me a straight answer other than basically “they must be making a mistake, the drive might have been changed, etc” no one there can claim to actually know anything at all about the firmware code, but i am just supposed to take their word. which is funny because i was just SEVERELY criticized for giving someone an answer about the rgh being patch on the non-slim consoles, when i personally don’t know how the bootloader works. i tried asking for someone who knows about the firmware code, but they tell me i will not find anyone like that. so i sent another message to c4eva directly, but i doubt he will respond. if he just told me “no” then i would accept it. but you seem like me to actually want to find the truth of this matter, just for knowledge’s sake. if you tell me that you know you have an original drive that doesn’t do ap2.5 checks i will believe you no matter what the jerks in irc say. just to reiterate, this is an xbox that you purchased new and no one else has flashed but you? i’m sure finding a hitachi like that is pretty unlikely, since they have been around so long… i guess one way to verify people’s claims would be to dump their nand and check the osig there. they tell me in irc that i have no proof, and people’s testimonials don’t count. but you can’t prove a negative (or some similar saying they use in math), so they really have no proof to counter my claims other than “well i have a 78/79 and it DOES do ap2.5 checks.”

2011-12-09 at 01:59AM UTC #4880
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phrizz

Quick:
Yeah m8, I can guarantee you that my box was a completely brand new black phat Elite version with HDMI that I bought from Best Buy, it wasn’t a second-hand / refurb / used system. Manufactured 6-16-2006. I flashed it myself using the Blaster CK3 I installed.

I just did another rip of AC:B but this time I used the DAE.bin file. I then ran that ISO through abgx, after disabling writes, and abgx says:

“Checking AP25 replay sector
49 challenges/responses found
Attempting to verify the AP25 replay sector
Looking for AP25_6D88AE4F.sha1 in the online verified database
Server file AP25_6D88AE4F.sha1 no newer than local file – not retrieving
AP25 replay sector does not match the one in the database!
It could be corrupt or might be obsolete and missing new data”

So I now have two rips of AC:B, one with no AP25 at all and one with obsolete/missing data. I guess I could try them both, even though I don’t really want to use two Verbs but it would yield worthwhile information so it shouldn’t be a lost cause.

2011-12-09 at 02:06AM UTC #4881
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QuickMythril

i am nervous for you to flag an unflagged console for curiosity’s sake…

2011-12-09 at 02:15AM UTC #4882
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phrizz

The only reason I’m hesitant is due to the possibility of a future optional media support codec for MKV like there was for DivX / XviD / MP4 movies which requires you to login to Live to download it. Otherwise I don’t really care since I don’t even have my box hooked up to a Cat5e cable. Still a tough call though, but I agree the best test would be the empty AP25 sector rip. Maybe I’ll sleep on it tonight and decide tomorrow, I dunno hah

2011-12-09 at 02:54AM UTC #4884
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QuickMythril

lol i still feel like they won’t ban you for a failed ap2.5 challenge, but who really knows…

what we really should be doing to test this theory is flashing our nand with all the different osig and trying all the different firmware revisions flashed to a drive. we could even use an already flagged console that way

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